on this topic i would like to mention someone...
i happen to know of a person... lets call this person "Bobby" bobby is a fairly bright person. they do their homework, read alot and is a intriguing person. they also have never been graded higher than a 59 on their papers. why? because EVERY paper they ever write has to be run through their mother who reads everyone and censores it liberally. anythign she doesnt agree with has to go which leaves the paper disjointed and sloppy. ive read the before and after papers and its rather... interesting.

now i would liek to mention that bobby is perfectly happy. they love that their mom is so intrested in helpign them and that she helps them 'on the way to christ.' the fact that bobby is failing the class that he would normally be able to go through rather well if his mommy didn't censor perfectly good papers.

THIS is the behavior that i find dangerous.



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*raises hand* I was one of those sheltered homeschoolers. I seem to have survived the big, outside world just fine so far.

And, y'know, family life has its own struggles. I think my mom once said something along the lines of, "If you don't learn to get along with your siblings, you'll run into people just like them later on in life, and you won't know how to get along with them, either." Personalities aren't the same between siblings and parents. We aren't all carbon copies of each other.

I have a wonderful family, and yes, I was generally sheltered. That doesn't mean I grew up without trials and even some drama. I haven't just "prepared" for real life. I've lived it.

*gets off Soapbox of Irritation*

Fal, you're not the one saying that public school's nothing but drugs, drinking and drama (something that, you know, irritates me--as someone who was public schooled and private schooled). Nor did you imply that it is better to be homeschooled because it "prepares" one to argue with professors (which, you know, I did quite a lot--most serious students do, I believe).

Shali's homeschooled, too; she knows I'm not talking to her. :P

I'm slightly torn on this subject honestly. I was homeschooled my entire life, and well, my parents did their best to shelter me from the world and to force their views down my throat. I believe that parents should teach their children some type of beliefs int he beginning of their life but I know mine tried to read/say the same things to me for yeeears of my life and it had the opposite affect on me. I came up with my own ideas and my own way of life, simply because I wanted to rebel and I was tired of hearing the crap from my dad about religion. Ideas should come to a person on their own, not be implanted.

Don't get me wrong I really like who I've become, homeschooling was a huge part of me. If I had gone to public school I can say with a good deal of certainty that I'd never have been so rabidly interesting in writing and in art. But... in being homeschool I was not prepared for life outside of the home as well as I could have been.

Public school might be to much for some kids, but I think it does better prepare you for the world. Homeschoolers tend to get out of highschool and are overwhelmed by the world outside. I've talked to some of my professors who were astounded to find that I was homeschooled because every other homeschooler they have taught has been socially awkward or unprepared for college courses.

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Hmph. Seeing as how everyone is using personal examples, I'll throw mine out. I've been homeschooled all my life. I am NOT socially awkward. Trust me, not at all. Making friends is one of the easiest things to do for me. When I'm around people, I'm usually the one making everyone laugh and getting all the attention (I'm not proud of it sometimes--but it's who I am). Point being, I'm not a social misfit.

Secondly, I've been out in the real world. I've taken almost two years of courses at several different colleges. I've been in the "public school arena" through some of my friends. I've hung out with kids who are the opposite of what I am (lifetime public schoolers) usually, I think they're jerks (no offense to you out there). I've had professors tell me that if I'm a sample of what homeschool kids are like, they want more (that's pretty near a direct quote). I've been in the world. I've been offered drugs. I've been offered casual sex. I've been there. And no, I didn't curl up in the fetal position, suck my thumb, and start crying for mommy.

Point is this: it's different for EVERYONE! I won't sit here and BS you. I think that homeschooling as a whole is better for most kids. However, I don't think it's right for everyone. It's got it's negatives. So does school. So does everything. Welcome to life.
There's my rant.

I agree Mick. I haven't meant to say homeschooling's better than public/private school. I have been saying that is how i see it for me PERSONALLY.

vareth in silico Wrote:
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> Fal, you're not the one saying that public
> school's nothing but drugs, drinking and drama
> (something that, you know, irritates me--as
> someone who was public schooled and private
> schooled). Nor did you imply that it is better to
> be homeschooled because it "prepares" one to argue
> with professors (which, you know, I did quite a
> lot--most serious students do, I believe).
>
> Shali's homeschooled, too; she knows I'm not
> talking to her. :P


Pssh, I take things personally. :P I thought you were talking about all homeschoolers, not addressing a specific person.

I'm not saying it's wrong to have the same faith/beliefs as your parents. But I think such beliefs should come as the result of careful thought and consideration, self-examination, WORLD-examination; not just because you've been pressured into thinking they're the only correct option. And it IS pressure--constant, quiet pressure, which you never really SEE because you never ESCAPE it.

this really hit a chord with me. i agree completely. part of an epidemic in the homeschooling community is children not being ready for the world. they are taught one point of view for the first 18 years of life, and they take it at face value with nothing to back it up! (notice i'm not targetting anyone on here.;P just sayin' this is what happens)

and then what happens when they hit college? WOW! I don't know WHAT I believe! why was I believing this at all? they meet educated profesors who have thought their beleifs out thoroughly, and when they challenge them they have no reason for the hope that is in them!

it's important to make your faith yours. that's why I'm thankful to my parents for allowing me to be exposed to so many different people, and ideas, and religions. it helped me to realize that I need to know why I believe in Christ. and if I don't have a good reason, then I either need to find one, or find something different to believe.

Bobby...

this is an extreme example. I've grown up in a homeschooling community, and while I can maybe see that happening in a few families, over all, they are ready to let their children think for themselves. perhaps I'm a special case though. *shrug*


and as to being socially inept? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry, but that struck me as hilarious.:D I'm not sure if I have come across as a sequestered recluse, but I can assure you that in real life I'm not. (if anything I like to show off and be dramatic...*grimace*)

I also don't know any homeschool kids who would fit that label either. Sure, there are a few who are quiet, but by no means are they 'socially awkward'. I'm not sure where you're getting that idea.;)

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Frodo: I can't do this, Sam.

Sam: I know. It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.

Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?

Sam: That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for.

Public school might be to much for some kids, but I think it does better prepare you for the world. Homeschoolers tend to get out of highschool and are overwhelmed by the world outside. I've talked to some of my professors who were astounded to find that I was homeschooled because every other homeschooler they have taught has been socially awkward or unprepared for college courses.

This is weird. Either you live someplace very different, or your professors not have much experience! (maybe they have not met many homeschoolers?) I'm not quite sixteen, but already taking some college level courses, and next year i plan to start classes at the community college. most of my friends have done the same thing.

*edit* and when it comes to being socially awkward, I think that is stereotypical. The few socially awkward homeschoolers that I know are that way because they have some kind of disorder (like Asperger's syndrome i think), or because they had some kind of bad experience when younger. I don't think that homeschooling had anything to do with it.



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